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neither, for that matter, was president bush's eight years. we fought the wars that we felt were necessary. president bush worked hard to try to solve other problems through diplomatic means. and so i think it's a little too stark to make this kind of characterization. i, as you well know, always believed that we should try to avoid war. we should be willing to talk to friends and willing to talk to enemies. and try to find a solution that's peaceful. but when do you find it is necessary to use military force, use it with a clear political objective in mind and use it for a decisive result. that's the kind of attitude that chuck hagel will bring to the equation. we will be careful. he will give the president his best advice on the use or non-use of military force, how to solve the problem diplomatically. i'm sure he will be a great companion with mr. kerry in that regard. it's a good team. i think it's a very, very good team. now, a lot of my friends in the community who are of a more rightist persuasion, ones who have been hawking -- the hawk
neither, for that matter, was president bush's eight years. we fought the wars that we felt were necessary. president bush worked hard to try to solve other problems through diplomatic means. and so i think it's a little too stark to make this kind of characterization. i, as you well know, always believed that we should try to avoid war. we should be willing to talk to friends and willing to talk to enemies. and try to find a solution that's peaceful. but when do you find it is necessary to use...
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we expanded it over the years, particularly under president obama in 2009 when we tripled our forces and we decided to go after the taliban, essentially join afghanistan's civil war and nation build. the idea that we're going to be able to leave behind a self-sustaining capable afghanistan able to for a government to keep control of its territory, we're not going to be able to do it. it was a mistake to try. we won't achieve that result. essentially what we'll fall back to is what we could have years ago, a limited mission with trainers and advisers on the ground and when we have to, we'll send in special forces or drones to deal with if there are, for example, remnants of al qaeda who move back into the country. >> the president that wants to run the pentagon, chuck hagel, former senator. here was the president announcing that pick earlier this week. >> i came to admire his courage and his judgment, his willingness to speak his mind even if it wasn't popular, even if it defied the conventional wisdom, and that's exactly the spirit i want on my national security team. >> senator cork
we expanded it over the years, particularly under president obama in 2009 when we tripled our forces and we decided to go after the taliban, essentially join afghanistan's civil war and nation build. the idea that we're going to be able to leave behind a self-sustaining capable afghanistan able to for a government to keep control of its territory, we're not going to be able to do it. it was a mistake to try. we won't achieve that result. essentially what we'll fall back to is what we could have...
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that will carry our country through the next 50 years. we owe it to our country and to our people. chris: howard, everybody's talking about what kind of approach is obama going to take this second term. is he going to be conciliatory? or is he going to be mr. tough guy? >> he wants to get things done by being tough and even confrontation. in the first term he tried to change the tone of washington as the outcider, sort of by a combination of aloofness and steady thought. now it's in your face. and he's going to be that way with joe biden at his side. because this is how he validates his presidency. things like health care have to be implemented. things like gun laws and so forth have to be passed. he's decided that the way to get it done is to confront the republican party which is in a weakened state right now. chris: if he hits them hard, charles krauthammer said he's doing this not just to get his goals achieved but to crack the other party. to force them to choose and take the suburbanites as i said in the opening and force them to si
that will carry our country through the next 50 years. we owe it to our country and to our people. chris: howard, everybody's talking about what kind of approach is obama going to take this second term. is he going to be conciliatory? or is he going to be mr. tough guy? >> he wants to get things done by being tough and even confrontation. in the first term he tried to change the tone of washington as the outcider, sort of by a combination of aloofness and steady thought. now it's in your...
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house for a year or so. the president has too deal with the debt ceiling. he wants to pass major immigration reform. >> absolutely. >> chris: do something about climate change. has he told you how much political capital he is willing to spend on what is going to be a very tough fight? >> i think that the president has demonstrated tremendous leadership on this issue. i think the country rallied around him and h his leadership because he really was a voice for the parents who lost a child. >> chris: has he told you how much -- >> and i see from his actions and we hear from the white house and we hear from the vice president that they are going to lay down political capital on the issue and i think the one thing i would say to those people like larry and others who said we can't do anything about these issues is that whether it comes from the background checks or dealing with high capacity magazines which was the issue in newtown we can take action and to say that we should do nothing really doesn't respond to
house for a year or so. the president has too deal with the debt ceiling. he wants to pass major immigration reform. >> absolutely. >> chris: do something about climate change. has he told you how much political capital he is willing to spend on what is going to be a very tough fight? >> i think that the president has demonstrated tremendous leadership on this issue. i think the country rallied around him and h his leadership because he really was a voice for the parents who...
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the week. >>> 11 years and 3 months ago, the war in afghanistan began. this week, afghan president karzai met with president obama to discuss how the war will end. my next guest jake tapper has a terrific book about the war called "the outpost." the book focuses on one of the deadliest battles in the war, a battle that tapper sees as a microcosm as the war as a whole. tapper has, of course, covered the white house for abc news for the past four years and will soon be an anchor here at cnn as well as our chief washington correspondent. welcome to cnn. and welcome to "gps." >> thanks, fareed, it's a pleasure. >> fascinating book. you know, to me, the stories you tell, as you say, it is a microcosm. one of them, they go to this village, the american troops go to this village in nuristan and insurgents streaming in from the border and one of the villagers asked them, are you soviets? are you soviet soldiers? and the american starts to explain to them, that the soviets left, the soviet union collapsed, and there isn't any soviet union anymore. you're dealing
the week. >>> 11 years and 3 months ago, the war in afghanistan began. this week, afghan president karzai met with president obama to discuss how the war will end. my next guest jake tapper has a terrific book about the war called "the outpost." the book focuses on one of the deadliest battles in the war, a battle that tapper sees as a microcosm as the war as a whole. tapper has, of course, covered the white house for abc news for the past four years and will soon be an...
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otherwise, 2013 will be the year that we accepted a nuclear iran or we went to war. for more on this, you can read my column in this week's "time" magazi magazine. let's get started. >>> when president obama chose the conservative republican for the post of defense secretary, you might not have expected opposition from the right, but you would have been wrong. while many conservatives support hagel's nomination, there is spirited opposition from the right. perhaps the first public opposition to chuck hagel was a column in "wall street journal" my foreign affairs columnist brett stevens. one of the first full throated defenses of hagel came in the "daily beast" from the editor of that website's blog and the author of the "crisis of zionism." joining me now bret stephens and peter beinart. you accused chuck hagel of being anti-semi. >> i said there was an odor. >> what evidence do you have this is the case? >> he had this famous statement that i'm sure you heard several times by now about the jewish lobby intimidating a lot of people. a lot of the discussion had to do
otherwise, 2013 will be the year that we accepted a nuclear iran or we went to war. for more on this, you can read my column in this week's "time" magazi magazine. let's get started. >>> when president obama chose the conservative republican for the post of defense secretary, you might not have expected opposition from the right, but you would have been wrong. while many conservatives support hagel's nomination, there is spirited opposition from the right. perhaps the first...